Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

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Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Chuck Tweedy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:54 pm

I've replaced my dust bags on my Shop-Fox 1.5HP dust collector.
Prior, I had the standard canvas bags. I've got a 2.5 micron top bag and a plastic lower bag on now.

The original bag retaining strap is not keeping my bottom bag on.
I've added weatherstripping around the "barrel" so the strap fits snug over the bag, but its unstable, and it popped of just now making a gawd-awful dust mess.

How do you guys retain the slippery plastic bag onto the lower side of the dust collector?
I don't want to tape it in, it will leave so much tape goo after all the time it sits on there.
I could wrap copper wire around the whole thing and synch that down. Maybe above the weatherstripping so it pulls down against that.

let me know if you want pix - but really I'm looking for wisdom here. I'm not the first at this.
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Bob Gramann » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:14 pm

At worst case, you could join the longest hose clamps you can get to get the circumference you need. With a nut driver, you can cinch those down pretty tight.
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Chuck Tweedy » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:34 pm

Good idea Bob. I see that from McMaster I could get something for nearly any size.
It's a 19" barrel, so it's a 60" circumference. Pretty long band.

I need to finish some work this weekend, so I think I'll try some wire this evening.
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Clay Schaeffer » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:46 pm

Could you slip the old bag over top of the plastic bag?
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Chuck Tweedy » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:38 am

Clay, the old bag had something like 50lbs of dust in it. It is LONG GONE. It took me 5 years to make all that dust.

BTW - It is currently wired on. I used some 12 AWG copper wire and a crapton of tape to get it all set. Wire is set above some really good neoprene weatherstripping. I think she is good to go.
I do NOT have the energy to test it tonight - if it let's go again I'll be to pissed to sleep :P
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby David King » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:46 am

My Grizzly 1HP came with stainless hose clamps 25 year back, I'm sure they exist. My JDS has a lever action band clamp with a tensioning spring that very quick to adjust and lock. I do have to line the bag openings with 2" packing tape to keep the band from cutting the plastic over time. If you have the room and the incentive I'd recommend a Super Dust Deputy in line to catch the 99% in a handy 17Gal bucket.
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Bob Hammond » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:26 am

I bought bungee cord at the hardware store, guesstimated the desired stretch, and then inserted the ends of the bungee cord into a thin-walled brass tube and punched the tube to lock the cord in place. It worked for me.
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Bryan Bear » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:49 am

Chuck, is that a metric crapton?
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Chuck Tweedy » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:21 am

Good morning.
David, it came with adjustable straps that is essentially poly-strapping material (like is used to strap something onto a pallet), with an adjustable, lever clamp, tension springs. What seems like a good clamp. But it was not keeping tension!
I see this morning, that the strap was pulling out of it's crimp on the "rack" piece. See pic. OYE! So that is why it failed and caused my dust-mageddon (which I still need to clean much up from)
Well... i'm sticking with the wire for now. It is holding like a champ.
And, no mr bear, it is an imperial crapton. i think you are well aware that the metric version is a shiton. lets please try to stay on subject - this too serious a business for such immature sidetracks :roll:
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Bill Raymond » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:58 pm

...and I believe in the UK it's called a "shiteton".
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Bryan Bear » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:16 am

Sorry Chuck, I didn't mean to derail your thread. My tape dispenser is calibrated in buttloads and I was having a hard time finding the correct conversion. I see now that an imperial crapton is 1.0598 buttloads (or .9875 shiteons). I wish we would just swithc to metric here. It would save us googobs (2.103 metric oodles) of time.
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Barry Daniels » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:32 pm

I use tape to hold the bag on. I can deal with a bit of adhesive residue but using one of the newer low tack/ long term release tapes is probably a better solution.
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Chuck Tweedy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:43 pm

Bill i thought that was spelled shytetonne
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Chuck Tweedy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:45 pm

Barry, tape sure would be a lot easier than the half-Saturday it took to get this thing stable again - Oye!
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Steve Sawyer » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:34 pm

Chuck - I had the same setup at one time. I used plain old duct tape to secure it which prevented leakage, and that kept everything neatly in place while securing the clamping band. Never had any trouble removing the tape, but because I run a jointer and planer (which produces a shyteton of chips :D ), I empty mine several times a year. Sometimes several times a week if I'm working on a large project!

The hose clamp idea is a good one, but I was looking for one of those "universal" pipe clamps that has a large coil of stainless steel with rectangular holes and t-shaped ends with the screw-threads and screw that fit into the holes, allowing you to make a very large pipe clamp of almost any size. I went to every hardware store in the area (about 6 which included 3 big-box stores) and searched online and couldn't find the darn things anywhere. They'd be perfect for this application. If anyone knows where to get them, I'd sure like to know where. Can't believe they just stopped making them.
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby David King » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:47 pm

Chuck,
If you can pull the plastic band back to where it started and hammer a rivet or two in there to hold it. My metal band has a couple of hollow rivets.
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Steve Sawyer » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:55 pm

David King wrote:Chuck,
If you can pull the plastic band back to where it started and hammer a rivet or two in there to hold it. My metal band has a couple of hollow rivets.

Or replace the strap with steel banding. That's what my old rig came with, not plastic. Any place that uses steel banding to secure stuff to pallets would probably be happy to whack you off a few feet. Also available by the (crap)ton salvaged from the places that cut the stuff off of incoming loads...
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Halgeir Wold » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:17 pm

Well, - you guys in particular should know that a crapton is 2000 lbs, whereas a shitton - or shytetonne for those who prefer - is 2240 lbs or 1000kg.... :lol:
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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Clay Schaeffer » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:28 pm

You could use a ratcheting tie down. If the hooks get in the way you could remove them and secure the long strap where the short strap secured on the ratchet. That would turn it into a band clamp (which is another possibility).

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Re: Dust-mageddon!! Dust bag attachment help needed

Postby Chuck Tweedy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:09 am

Clay, that is a damn fine idea! With the wide weatherstripping I have on there, a wide web band clamp would be perfect!!
as long as i could get the buckle part to seal on the bag it would be great.
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